Curse

Lonesamurai · Jan 14, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Demand by whom? NCSoft?

Try "need of more money", as in greed.

No Cach

Demand from players, especially in Europe that couldn;t use the ingame store due to lag or (and i don't personally believe this one) no way to use the ingam store due to some countries limitations on debit cards/bank accounts

however, THIS is why NCSoft/ANet decided to put it up for sale

besides, i bought the Game of th Year edition of prophecies, just for the weapons, then they put the Game of the Year weapon pack in the ingame store... Same thing, but i'm not pissed at that

Mork from Ork · Jan 14, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by pamelf

I do agree with both you and fish that they would release it later. I assumed it would happen...I simply didn't expect it to be within 3 months! lol, shame on me I guess. Still, I do feel a little betrayed, whether it be by my own stupidity or the company.

this is what gets me -

I did not buy it because I did assume that it would be offered as a stand alone product. I even guessed it would be offered by Christmas - off by a month.

But I had not realized at the time that Gaile said it was not feasible to offer retail and they had no plans to release it later.

Now that I know she said that, I can understand how so many were misled and thought it was a one time offer. I would have thought so too if I had seen that statement at the time.

So, how do we go from "having no plans to release it in the future" and "not feasible to release retail" to releasing it as a retail product in less than 3 months?

now I realize why some have lost trust in ANet.

The problem is not that they are now releasing but that those who bought it are beginning to suspect ANet planned it this way all along and fibbed to get them to buy it sooner.

Solus Spartan · Jan 14, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Gray is such a friggin lier. A-net makes so many friggin mistakes regarding bugs, released items (e.g Polar Bear) and now they lied about the BMP's re-release chance, you simply cannot trust anything they say.

freekedoutfish · Jan 14, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Solus Spartan

Gray is such a friggin lier. A-net makes so many friggin mistakes regarding bugs, released items (e.g Polar Bear) and now they lied about the BMP's re-release chance, you simply cannot trust anything they say.

Ugh another person who has to shoot the messenger! Give her a break, she is only passing on what she is told by here work colleagues. She is just the PR person.. dont have a go at her about it.

And are you suggesting that Anet are the only computer company in the world who delay releases, release software containing bugs and make mistakes? Get real!

What company doesnt!

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Originally Posted by Mork from Ork

So, how do we go from "having no plans to release it in the future" and "not feasible to release retail" to releasing it as a retail product in less than 3 months?

Well the first quote is fine. There are things like the financial year and budgets to take into concideration and persuading your boss to let you do stuff. They cant promise things they are unsure about.

And that second quote is fine too because it may not have been feasible at the time and they had to wait until the budget allowed it.

They cant make us promised about everything because if they fail to provide it looks worse!

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

I too feel a little slighted that I was 'told' this was a limited bonus, and is now accessible to all. I do not feel that a-net should not be albe to do this though, or that they cheated me by doing so.

However, since this is now an - albiet small - expansion pack, you should be able to get the gold bonuses from the missions for ALL of your characters.

I always felt that was a little ridiculous from the beginning. It's not like you're going to become a millionaire by buying dozens of character slots and repeating the BMP over and over. Even if someone DID actually do that, hey a-net, they would still be buying extra character slots right?

mcsumo · Jan 14, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

freekedoutfish. copied this line If this is only made available online, buy spending a certain amount during a set date, then your alienating alot of loyal customers and giving access to new content and LURE to some and not others.

from this thread. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0208860&page=4

Now I don't want to suggest that you are full of shit, but that sure don't support your 'even thouh I realistically knew it would be sold later as a solo item' line which you have now adopted.

I will say AGAIN I am happy that everyone who couldn't get it before now can. BUT I was lied to and paid £18 for access to BMP as a direct result. I just want a refund, they can have their damn slots back, then I will be happy to pay for the BMP even though it isn't actually worth £6, and I will still have faith in Anet's marketing and integrity.

Even if legally they haven't done anything wrong (will see how that develops) there is no doubt that morally they damn well have.

Rathcail · Jan 14, 2008, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

and look at the fuss now about it being a stand alone item. Will that hurt sales? Nope!

I'd wager this will hurt when they next time put up their "special limited time thank you offer" promotion for their online store.

WinterSnowblind · Jan 14, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Rathcail

I'd wager this will hurt when they next time put up their "special limited time thank you offer" promotion for their online store.

With all the flak they took when they first suggested the idea, then all the fuss about people missing out for various reasons.. and now all those who did buy it complaining that others can get it. Do you really think they will attempt something similar to this again?

pygar · Jan 14, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Regardless of what was said, the BMP was supposed to be a bonus for buying stuff in the online store, like the CE bonuses are a bonus for buying the CE. If Anets reason to sell the BMP is to make money and not care what the players think, then why not sell the divine aura and /dancenew emotes too?

Yeah, um....why not put all the old "exclusive" stuff on the store? Exclusive content is for gimps.

mortis corpus · Jan 14, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

IMHO it would seam that purchasing GWEN on the online store for the bmp was a waist, it would seam that given enough flak to make it avail to everyone doesnt make the limited exlusive a waist, not in favor however i guess the majority wins

so does this mean that those that want stuff done in the past, divine aura, the tengu mask, dragon mask, will become avail to all now

pygar · Jan 14, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by mortis corpus

IMHO it would seam that purchasing GWEN on the online store for the bmp was a waist, it would seam that given enough flak to make it avail to everyone doesnt make the limited exlusive a waist, not in favor however i guess the majority wins

so does this mean that those that want stuff done in the past, divine aura, the tengu mask, dragon mask, will become avail to all now

No, not really. Plenty of people complained int he past about limited edition offers that they missed and Anet never blinked. The BMP is different from CE toys in that it is actual gameplay and storyline content.

Also, Anet or NCsoft never said that the BMP would be "exclusive" or "limited edition", people just assumed that even though many of the rest of us assumed the wording in the BMP info suggested that it would probably be available again.

I personally believe they should sell the old limited edition stuff in the online store (even though it would cause many here major identity crisis, and cause them to come on the forums and complain) Anet would make good money in return for digital content they worked hard to create, currently only "black market" gold sellers get to do that.

Masao · Jan 14, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

I don't see why this is still a debate. The minority assumed that the BMP would only be offered through this promotion. The offer was a brightline statement saying that the promotion was only to go on for a limited time, nothing was said of it's later marketability.

It's your own fault for assuming this, and not ANet's. Their prior statements through Gaile Gray, whom a reasonable person would never believe, have no effect on the offer you accepted. The company never committed itself to limiting marketability of it's product.

If you decide to attempt legal action for 20 bucks please keep me updated, I need a good laugh now and then. I'd like to see laymen who have no notion of their rights in contracting with another party bring a class action suit against a company for $20 each when you have in fact received a substantial benefit from the completion of the contract. If you actually managed to get a lawyer to represent you, and one would probably only do it out of sheer hilarity, the court would 12b6 you immediately for wasting their time.

freekedoutfish · Jan 14, 2008, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

freekedoutfish. copied this line If this is only made available online, buy spending a certain amount during a set date, then your alienating alot of loyal customers and giving access to new content and LURE to some and not others.

from this thread. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0208860&page=4

Now I don't want to suggest that you are full of shit, but that sure don't support your 'even thouh I realistically knew it would be sold later as a solo item' line which you have now adopted.

And was I wrong?

If they had continued to only sell it as part of the promotion ONLY then it was alienating a huge chunk of the market.

What did they do?

They are now selling it a a stand alone item and no longer alienating anyone. I would say that was a result and well worth my contribution to that thread! Dont get peronal about this!

Look you bought the BMP when it was first out because you wanted it right away, and didnt have the sense to wait and see if it was later sold seperately. I did wait and didnt give into Anets sales techniques and now im reeping the rewards.

You said yourself you already owned GWEN (like I did before the promotion) and had nothing else to spend £18 on (just like me), so basically wasted your money on slots you didnt need. You knew you didnt need those slots and Anet didnt force you into buying them.

But being inpatient you had to own the BMP right away!

You could have waited like me, and seen what happened a a few months later... you shot yourself in the foot!

Its your own fault if your going to be inpatient and rush to buy things the second they are released. Like any product they are viable to change in price and how you aquire them. Anet has not broken any rules or lied. They simply changed how you purchase the item and made it cheaper at a later date.

Would you run back to a supermarket and complain after buyin carrots for 50p/lb one day, if they were 25p/lb the next day? Ofcourse not! Any company is allowed to reduce the price of their items and how you aquire them... you should have waited!

How come no one complains about them selling the bonus weapon in a pack which were originally part of the special edition of prophercies? Or something like that. Surely that falls under the same situation.

mazik · Jan 14, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

freekedoutfish. copied this line If this is only made available online, buy spending a certain amount during a set date, then your alienating alot of loyal customers and giving access to new content and LURE to some and not others.

from this thread. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0208860&page=4

Now I don't want to suggest that you are full of shit, but that sure don't support your 'even thouh I realistically knew it would be sold later as a solo item' line which you have now adopted.

Actually...that would be exactly what it supports. Now I don't mean to suggest you're full of s***, but...

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

I will say AGAIN I am happy that everyone who couldn't get it before now can.

Really? that's not the feeling I'm getting.

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

Even if legally they haven't done anything wrong (will see how that develops) there is no doubt that morally they damn well have.

And what if they did do something legally wrong? You're going to sue A-Net over a $10 BMP?

A-Net has done nothing 'morally' wrong. See my last post.

flclisgreat · Jan 14, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

And was I wrong?

If they had continued to only sell it as part of the promotion ONLY then it was alienating a huge chunk of the market.

What did they do?

They are now selling it a a stand alone item and no longer alienating anyone. I would say that was a result and well worth my contribution to that thread! Dont get peronal about this!

Look you bought the BMP when it was first out because you wanted it right away, and didnt have the sense to wait and see if it was later sold seperately. I did wait and didnt give into Anets sales techniques and now im reeping the rewards.

You said yourself you already owned GWEN (like I did before the promotion) and had nothing else to spend £18 on (just like me), so basically wasted your money on slots you didnt need. You knew you didnt need those slots and Anet didnt force you into buying them.

But being inpatient you had to own the BMP right away!

You could have waited like me, and seen what happened a a few months later... you shot yourself in the foot!

Its your own fault if your going to be inpatient and rush to buy things the second they are released. Like any product they are viable to change in price and how you aquire them. Anet has no broken any rules. They simply changed how you purchase the item and made it cheaper.

Would you run back to a supermarket and complain after buyin carrots for 50p/lb one day, if they were 25p/lb the next day? Ofcourse not! Any company is allowed to reduce the price of their items and how you aquire them... you should have waited!

we didn't buy whatever we bought to "get the BMP right away" we bought whatever we bought to get the BMP period, or so we thought

freekedoutfish · Jan 14, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by flclisgreat

we didn't buy whatever we bought to "get the BMP right away" we bought whatever we bought to get the BMP period, or so we thought

And at no point did you think...

"hang on... £17 to get the BMP? Thats alot of money and there isnt anything I really want from the store worth that value and that means GWEN would be more expensive, maybe I should wait or join the protest to make it a stand alone item"?

It doesnt seem it.

It seems you just jumped right in, spent your money without thinking and now your p'd off because its cheaper. Am I right?

Would it have hurt to maybe join the protest and wait and see the end result?

moriz · Jan 14, 2008, 09:14 PM // 21:14

if anet/NCsoft needs more money, they'll just open up another "buy $30 on the online store, get the BMP for free" promotion. making the BMP $10 on its own is primarily for our benefit. it gives more choices to the players.

Jetdoc · Jan 14, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

'The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion '

If you read and comprehend that sentence correctly, it DOES directly state that it will only be available in this way. Therefore we have been lied to and we are entitled to a refund.

No, it says that it will only be available to the exact account that fulfills the promotion. That can be construed to mean that if you own multiple accounts, it is not transferrable to the other accounts.

Mordakai · Jan 14, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Would it have hurt to maybe join the protest and wait and see the end result?

Well, yeah.

It could have been that Anet would never offer the BMP again.

Nobody knew for sure at the time...

flclisgreat · Jan 14, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

And at no point did you think...

"hang on... £17 to get the BMP? Thats alot of money and there isnt anything I really want from the store worth that value and that means GWEN would be more expensive, maybe I should wait or join the protest to make it a stand alone item"?

It doesnt seem it.

It seems you just jumped right in, spent your money without thinking and now your p'd off because its cheaper. Am I right?

Would it have hurt to maybe join the protest and wait and see the end result?

your assuming quite allot

1: i was never on guru till a couple weeks ago, so i had no idea people where even upset about the BMP. offer sounded good to me get a "limited time offer" product. missed out on the CE's because i just started playing GW a few months ago.
2:i didn't pay more for GW:EN, i payed the same amount(albeit without the box)
3: its not cheaper, its cost more. unless you forgot how to do math $10 cost more than free.
4: i wouldn't give a flying rats belly button if every GW player in whole universe had the BMP, aslong as they all got it the same way i did.